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February 07, 2011

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Gurdur

I'ld say you guys (clergy and other believer bloggers) really have problems understanding what someone like PZ Myers is really like, or how he thinks, judging from many of the comments I've seen about PZ Myers recently. It seems an inability to understand where a general member of the public is coming from.

Various points:
- I wouldn't in your place over-estimate "factions" among atheists. There is only one split among atheists that really matters, and because by and largely atheists are not formally organized, and atheism is largely a very loose mass phenomenon and not an organization, that essential split is often concealed by all sorts of things. Nonetheless, the split does not affect much of the overall atheist critique of religion, though it does affect very much what one wants to do about religion.

- PZ Myers doesn't really "hate". He sneers, gets defensive, has a bit of an inferiority complex hidden away there, and in my very personal opinion after knowing him for over 10 years, he's more than a fair bit of a twit. Nonetheless, he doesn't (usually) "hate". He despises, grandstands, trivializes, postures, etc., and sometimes on rare occasions he actually shows some genuine feeling (and gets almost likeable on those occasions). But he by and large does not "hate", and the atheists making comments about him hating on atheists this time round are far more betraying their own agitprop angle and their own inferioity complexes than saying anything real about PZ.

- yes, a lot of it is ego. But it wouldn't be successful unless it was tapping into a general public mood. And dealing with that public mood genuinely is essential for clergy and believers such as yourself; but that precisely is what will not happen for the most part.

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  • My name is Dan Porter. I have always believed in God. And I have always been a Christian, which means I have always believed, at some level of understanding, Christian assertions about Christ. But during all of my adult life—I am now 68—I have struggled with many seeds of doubt brought on by modern science, objective history, the question of why a loving God would allow so much suffering in the world and difficulties with seemingly conflicting moral precepts.

    Observation: No proof that the Shroud of Turin is not real survives scientific and historical scrutiny. That leave only conventional wisdom or common sense or worldview or whatever you want to call it as a reason to believe it is not authentic. Maybe someone will figure it out someday. In the meantime all of us, skeptics and believers alike, are stuck with leaps of faith.

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About Me

  • My name is Dan Porter. I have always believed in God. And I have always been a Christian, which means I have always believed, at some level of understanding, Christian assertions about Christ. But during all of my adult life—I am now 68—I have struggled with many seeds of doubt brought on by modern science, objective history, the question of why a loving God would allow so much suffering in the world and difficulties with seemingly conflicting moral precepts.

    Observation: No proof that the Shroud of Turin is not real survives scientific and historical scrutiny. That leave only conventional wisdom or common sense or worldview or whatever you want to call it as a reason to believe it is not authentic. Maybe someone will figure it out someday. In the meantime all of us, skeptics and believers alike, are stuck with leaps of faith.